Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Grand River Academy

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The result was NO CONSENSUS default to KEEP. Although no sources have turned up as yet, the subject matter suggests they may be available on offline works which may require a visit to a library. Cleanup or advertorial wirting is no grounds for deletion per se, thus I recommend giving this article 3 months for sources to turn up before renomming. If nothing has been found then a delete result may be warranted. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:05, 10 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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I see no indication that this is a notable private school. No substantial coverage by reliable third party sources is cited, and I can't immediately find any in the Google News archives. Sandstein (talk) 19:20, 2 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. The article claims that the school has notable alumni. Aren't all high schools notable by default? --Eastmain (talk) 20:01, 2 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Why should they be? We have no guideline to that effect, and even the proposal WP:SCL says that schools need secondary coverage, a particular award or status to be notable, not just notable alumni. (Just about every kindergarten has notable "alumni", I guess.) Sandstein (talk) 20:13, 2 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ohio-related deletion discussions. —Eastmain (talk) 20:04, 2 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. —Eastmain (talk) 20:04, 2 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - established in 1831 this school has a long history and a number of particularly notable alumni. Sufficient sources are available to meet WP:N. The page badly needs a cleanup and I have tagged it as such. TerriersFan (talk) 20:21, 2 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Could you please provide references to these sources? Sandstein (talk) 20:42, 2 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. Check the references of the articles that link to it. Also note that the school has two names. I can confirm 3 Congressmen as alumni of Grand River Institute. Google and Google News may be incomplete for history going back over 150 years. • Gene93k (talk) 20:35, 2 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - I do not see how alumni, even if they were referenced, can confer notability to a school, if it has no (sourced) notability in itself. And a mile-long list of "College acceptances" does not seem similar to anything WP:N requires for notability. Goochelaar (talk) 20:55, 2 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak Delete Pending a much-needed rewrite, this article looks more like a marketing piece than an encyclopedia entry. Ecoleetage (talk) 21:48, 2 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: I know it makes no headway against the all-high-schools-are-notable-whether-there-is-evidence-or-not crowd, but WP:V requires non-trivial, reliable sources about the subject. None appear. Notability is also not conferred by association, so why people keep claiming that prominent alumni confer notability to schools I do not know. The requirements of WP:V just can't be waved off with an airy "Oh, the place is old and pre-Internet." If no reliable, third-party sources can be found for an article topic, Wikipedia should not have an article on it.  RGTraynor  16:55, 9 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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